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#1 2008-11-21 11:48:07

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Stitching HDRI

Hi
When I stitch 3 sets of photos bracketed at +- 2 stops, then blend them in Photomatrix, After converting to a QTVR I get a colour mismatch where they join, see below.
The problem is not with Photomatrix because the problem is still there if I use only one of the three stitched exposures and don't use Photomatrix at all.
I am using Pano2QTVR to convert the image to a 360 degree Quicktime.
The problem is not there if I stitch normal unbracketed images or even one set of the bracketed images??
So the problem must be something I am doing wrong when I stitch bracketed images.
I hope I have explained myself OK.
Any help appreciated.


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#2 2008-11-21 16:24:44

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Re: Stitching HDRI

doesn't look bad to me.

Try using different anchors.

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#3 2008-11-21 17:36:53

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Re: Stitching HDRI

signmaster wrote:

Hi
When I stitch 3 sets of photos bracketed at +- 2 stops, then blend them in Photomatrix, After converting to a QTVR I get a colour mismatch where they join, see below.
The problem is not with Photomatrix because the problem is still there if I use only one of the three stitched exposures and don't use Photomatrix at all.
I am using Pano2QTVR to convert the image to a 360 degree Quicktime.
The problem is not there if I stitch normal unbracketed images or even one set of the bracketed images??
So the problem must be something I am doing wrong when I stitch bracketed images.
I hope I have explained myself OK.
Any help appreciated.

My suggestion - like always - is: do HDR in Photomatix FIRST and stitch the already mapped pictures. Exept when you need to render as .hdr for GlobalIlumination/Lighting in 3D scenes.

Besides: did you activate the "360deg Picture" in Photomatix?

best, Klaus

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#4 2008-11-21 18:18:38

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Re: Stitching HDRI

signmaster what you showed looks like an error during postprocessing. APP always exported 360° equirectangulars for me with no color mismatches at the edges (except for  zenith and nadir when using smartblend), so what you showed looks like somewhere along the way AFTER rendering when you were postprocessing your image you used a tool that was not designed for panoramas and it didn't blend across the -180°/+180° border. It could be in Photomatix like klausesser said, or caused by other programs like Photoshop.

You can fix this by taking the left ~10% of your pano and copying it to a new layer, do the same with the right 10%, put both layers side by side and merge them, then heal or blur out the difference so its graduated, and then slice that 20% wide layer into two 10% layers and put them back in their places... or instead of all that you could shift your pano along the x axis by any amount (e.g. 50%), then heal/blur, and shift back.

Screenshot below pinpointing the not-too-obvious error.


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#5 2008-11-21 21:21:30

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Re: Stitching HDRI

i guess the right picture simply is a bit darket than the left one. ColorCorrection could correct that.

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#6 2008-11-21 22:50:24

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Re: Stitching HDRI

Thanks very much for the prompt replys.
I need the images as a .hdr for 3D illumination.
The problem is not post processing, not doing any. I can stitch a single group of the bracketed set in Autopano and not have the problem. It is only when I stitch a bracketed group in one operation as per http://www.autopano.net/wiki/action/vie … _panorama. The problem is still there if I take one of the three resultant stitched images, say the correct exposed stitched image and using Pano2QTVR to convert the image to a 360 degree Quicktime. By doing this I think I have isolated the problem to Autopano Pro?
I would like to solve this problem as I am trying to develop the best and quickest method of creating stitched HDR images for 3D illumination.
Regards
Steve

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#7 2008-11-22 00:35:49

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Re: Stitching HDRI

Does the same problem exist if you do the QT conversion with Pano2VR rather than Pano2QTVR?

You are outputting a separate layer for each bracket step from APP?

Can you show us a screenshot of the overlaps in your pano from the pano Editor?

Last edited by mediavets (2008-11-22 00:39:02)


Andrew
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, 18-55mm kit lens, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan  Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
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#8 2008-11-22 04:25:08

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Re: Stitching HDRI

Does the same problem exist if you do the QT conversion with Pano2VR rather than Pano2QTVR?

Yes exactly the same.

You are outputting a separate layer for each bracket step from APP?

Yes seperate layer for each bracket step.

Can you show us a screenshot of the overlaps in your pano from the pano Editor?


Screen shot below.

Thanks for the help

Steve


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#9 2008-11-22 09:29:16

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Re: Stitching HDRI

What camera body and lens are you using?

What pano head?

What pitch is the main row shot at?

How are you shooting the bracketed nadir shots?


Andrew
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, 18-55mm kit lens, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan  Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#10 2008-11-22 13:15:44

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Re: Stitching HDRI

What camera body and lens are you using?
8mm Sigma fisheye, Canon 20D

What pano head?
Half home made with RRR MPR-192 and clamps

What pitch is the main row shot at?
Main row 4 photos at 90° about 15°up one shot down (nadair)

How are you shooting the bracketed nadir shots?
Hand held

Regards
Steve

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#11 2008-11-22 13:34:41

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Re: Stitching HDRI

Maual focus?

Manual exposure?

Custom WB?


Andrew
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, 18-55mm kit lens, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan  Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#12 2008-11-22 22:20:23

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Re: Stitching HDRI

Maual focus? Yes

Manual exposure? Yes

Custom WB? Set in RAW (will check as I sometimes forget) Should this matter as the seam is actually up the center of an image?)

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#13 2008-11-23 18:20:20

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Re: Stitching HDRI

Which blender?  Which color corection mode (LDR, HDR, none?)

What anchors do you use?

This could be caused by vignetting.

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#14 2008-11-23 21:19:44

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Re: Stitching HDRI

Which blender?  Which color corection mode (LDR, HDR, none?)
none

What anchors do you use?
I am new to Autopano, not sure what you mean by "anchors"

This could be caused by vignetting.
If I convert one of the resultant images I don't have the problem??

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#15 2008-11-23 23:36:56

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Re: Stitching HDRI

signmaster wrote:

I am new to Autopano, not sure what you mean by "anchors"

http://www.autopano.net/wiki/action/vie … Brightness

signmaster wrote:

If I convert one of the resultant images I don't have the problem??

OK.

So can you please run by me again just what your workflow is when you do end up with the problem?


Andrew
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, 18-55mm kit lens, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan  Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#16 2008-11-24 12:30:03

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Re: Stitching HDRI

8mm sigma, 20D
4 shots around (bracketed) up about 15°
1 shot down hand held (bracketed)
Manual focus and exposure, in RAW
Lightroom set white balance to same setting, export to tif
Stitch in Autopano Pro output to set of 3 images (if I render one of these images in Pano2QTVR I have the problem.
I then produce a HDR file and a tone mapped image for QTVR

I might not be back for a week as I am going to Bangkok, madly working out what gear to take, don't think I will take my tripod, but will try some hand held panos, I often find they stitch better than those shot with my pano head and tripod.

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#17 2008-11-24 12:37:44

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Re: Stitching HDRI

err I don't see how this problem is related to your hardware specs. A perfectly vertical line like that means there is a exposure and/or white balance difference between the left and right edge of your 360° equirectangular. Regardless of those specs, APP color correction is supposed to take care of that.

signmaster wrote:

The problem is not post processing, not doing any. I can stitch a single group of the bracketed set in Autopano and not have the problem.

signmaster wrote:

The problem is still there if I take one of the three resultant stitched images

So you say that if you render three layers, and use only one of those layers to create your VR, and do NO POSTPROCESSING on that layer, and you used color correction (did you?) this problem persists?

-------update

signmaster wrote:

Which blender?  Which color corection mode (LDR, HDR, none?)
none

What anchors do you use?
I am new to Autopano, not sure what you mean by "anchors"

There's your answer. You must use color correction.
http://www.autopano.net/wiki/action/vie … Brightness

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#18 2008-11-24 17:10:48

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Re: Stitching HDRI

DrSlony,

This is sort of related to hw in that an 8mm may Vingette, even on a APS sensor.  The line is where one edge of one image overlaps the center of another, even if you use manual exposure, vignetting may cause a stop or two difference.  On my Sigma 12-24mm at 12mm, I get some vignetting even at f/16, but that's on a 5D. 

signmaster,

research "optical vignetting".  Also, as DrSlony says, use color correction.  This will get rid of the vignetting. 

BTW, what aperture did you use?  The wider, the more vignetting.

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