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#1 2008-11-07 23:31:48

Adam
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q-top tripod plate

Hello,
Does anyone here use this tripod plate? I'm considering to purchase one in order to help with tripod leveling without to much trouble. Any input will be appreciated.
www.qtop.eu


Nikon D300 and D70s, Nikon 18-70 and 18-200, 50 mm 1.8 and Tokina 116
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#2 2008-11-07 23:50:33

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Re: q-top tripod plate

I heard only positive about the q-tops
but I dont think it will help leveling

easy leveling you will have with a ball-fitted middle column of the tripod
http://www.berlebach.de/grafiken/12040b_gross.jpg
like this Berlebach Mounting head with ball, built-in spirit level, and centre column


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#3 2008-11-08 00:12:47

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Paul, how much does such tripod cost?


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#4 2008-11-08 11:02:41

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Re: q-top tripod plate

fma38 wrote:

Paul, how much does such tripod cost?

200.- to 300.- € look on their website for Models 1042 ... 9043
http://www.berlebach.de/inhalte/produkt … delle1032p

I shot mine on ebay for 90.-, bit older but rocksolid, balls on actual models are smaller


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#5 2008-11-08 12:26:11

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Re: q-top tripod plate

This Manfrotto tripod follows a similar concept - a levelling centre column - but with smaller range of adjustment:
http://www.manfrotto.com/Jahia/site/manfrotto/pid/3314


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Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan  Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
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#6 2008-11-08 14:46:03

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Thanks. I'll look on ebay...


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#7 2008-11-08 16:08:40

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Re: q-top tripod plate

I was thinking of using qtop with a ball head to level it fast and easy and then rotate qtop by its 12 notches 30 degrees each to take panoramas. What do you think about that?

http://www.qtop.eu/19.htm


Nikon D300 and D70s, Nikon 18-70 and 18-200, 50 mm 1.8 and Tokina 116
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#8 2008-11-08 16:21:29

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Adam wrote:

I was thinking of using qtop with a ball head to level it fast and easy and then rotate qtop by its 12 notches 30 degrees each to take panoramas. What do you think about that?

http://www.qtop.eu/19.htm

The problem with the q-top is that the camera does not rotate around the nodal point, as it does with the Manfrotto 303SPH, for example.  This will cause nearby objects to be displaced with respect to distant objects when the camera is turned.  Your panoramas will be OK if everything in the picture is far from the camera.

My tripod legs have a spirit level.  This lets me level the head by adjusting the lengths of the legs.  It's a bit clumsy, but effective.

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#9 2008-11-08 19:22:20

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Will good ball head help here? The problem I see that if I level my head in one position on a tripod it wont stay level during rotation process. Process of leveling tripod by expanding or retracting legs is cubersome and I'm looking for easier way of accomplishing that.


Nikon D300 and D70s, Nikon 18-70 and 18-200, 50 mm 1.8 and Tokina 116
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#10 2008-11-08 20:41:28

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Adam wrote:

Will good ball head help here? The problem I see that if I level my head in one position on a tripod it wont stay level during rotation process. Process of leveling tripod by expanding or retracting legs is cubersome and I'm looking for easier way of accomplishing that.

Adam,

I don't know what type of panos you wish to shoot - nor what camera and lenses you plan to use - but if you wish to get really good results shooting anything but distant landscape scenes you really need to get a proper pano head which enables rotation aroujnd the No Parallax Point (NPP) to avoid parallax errors which prevent precise stitching.

For most camera/lens combinations either the Nodal Ninja 3 or Nodal Ninja 5 pano heads are very good quality, cost effective choices:
http://www.nodalninja.com

Levelling is a different issue altogether.

You could use a ball head (or even a 2-way head) with QR plate beneath a pano head.

You could use a tripod with levelling centre column - as mention in posts above.

You could adjust tripod legs.

Last edited by mediavets (2008-11-08 20:42:33)


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Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan  Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
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#11 2008-11-10 00:12:26

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Paul wrote:

I heard only positive about the q-tops
but I dont think it will help leveling

easy leveling you will have with a ball-fitted middle column of the tripod
http://www.berlebach.de/grafiken/12040b_gross.jpg
like this Berlebach Mounting head with ball, built-in spirit level, and centre column

I have Manfrotto 190CX CF tripod. I think that I need ball head and then pano rotating base and I'll be able to level it easy. Dillema is that I cannot screw a base to camera mount screw. Two different sizes and tread.
The really right stuff has it in BH-55 with PCL1, but it costs a lot.
Any suggetions on this. THANX!


Nikon D300 and D70s, Nikon 18-70 and 18-200, 50 mm 1.8 and Tokina 116
Beginner in Panoramic Photography
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#12 2008-11-10 08:23:48

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Re: q-top tripod plate

put the cam on a quick release, they mostly have an adapter from big to small thread
http://www.tripodquickrelease.com/images/bogen/379-111%20394QRFront1%20copy.jpg


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#13 2008-11-10 09:12:28

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Adam wrote:

Paul wrote:

I heard only positive about the q-tops
but I dont think it will help leveling

easy leveling you will have with a ball-fitted middle column of the tripod
http://www.berlebach.de/grafiken/12040b_gross.jpg
like this Berlebach Mounting head with ball, built-in spirit level, and centre column

I have Manfrotto 190CX CF tripod. I think that I need ball head and then pano rotating base and I'll be able to level it easy. Dillema is that I cannot screw a base to camera mount screw. Two different sizes and tread.
The really right stuff has it in BH-55 with PCL1, but it costs a lot.
Any suggetions on this. THANX!

I don't understand your problem.

Here's a picture of a Manfrotto tripod with a Manfrotto ball head with QR plate and an Agno's Mrotator TCPShort pano head on top of that.
Is this the sort of setup you had in mind?


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, 18-55mm kit lens, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan  Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
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#14 2008-11-10 15:38:08

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Paul wrote:

put the cam on a quick release, they mostly have an adapter from big to small thread
http://www.tripodquickrelease.com/image … 20copy.jpg

Hey Paul,
Thank you for all your help. Could you look at http://reallyrightstuff.com/rrs/items.a … p=&Bc=
and see BH-55 with PLC, but it costs $575. Anyway, this will give you an idea what I want to accomplish. Maybe you have a better idea then?
Where do I get a cam like this?


Nikon D300 and D70s, Nikon 18-70 and 18-200, 50 mm 1.8 and Tokina 116
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#15 2008-11-10 16:19:50

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Re: q-top tripod plate

RRS is really RollsRoyceStaff pricewise ...

imho a ballhead isn't as easy to level than a adjustable center column with a ball like the Berlebach tripod has

have a look at www.feisol.net, there you can get both: ballheads (much cheaper) and center columns
they have panning bases too


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#16 2008-11-10 17:28:17

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Adam wrote:

Will good ball head help here? The problem I see that if I level my head in one position on a tripod it wont stay level during rotation process. Process of leveling tripod by expanding or retracting legs is cubersome and I'm looking for easier way of accomplishing that.

You have to level the whole tripod.  Many tripods have a bubble level built into them.  Or use a leveling plate if you don't like to change the height of the tripod legs. 

Then put a hotshoe level on your camera and rotate it to see if the whole thing is level.

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#17 2008-11-11 05:36:58

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Re: q-top tripod plate

hankkarl wrote:

Adam wrote:

Will good ball head help here? The problem I see that if I level my head in one position on a tripod it wont stay level during rotation process. Process of leveling tripod by expanding or retracting legs is cubersome and I'm looking for easier way of accomplishing that.

You have to level the whole tripod.  Many tripods have a bubble level built into them.  Or use a leveling plate if you don't like to change the height of the tripod legs. 

Then put a hotshoe level on your camera and rotate it to see if the whole thing is level.

Where can I get leveling plate?
I been looking on feisol site, but cannot find any leveling columns. Is there a way to call feisol?


Nikon D300 and D70s, Nikon 18-70 and 18-200, 50 mm 1.8 and Tokina 116
Beginner in Panoramic Photography
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#18 2008-11-11 10:08:40

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Re: q-top tripod plate


Andrew
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, 18-55mm kit lens, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan  Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
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#19 2008-11-11 10:11:27

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Adam wrote:

I been looking on feisol site, but cannot find any leveling columns. Is there a way to call feisol?

Levelling columns:
http://www.feisol.net/leveling-base-c-16.html

As it says - Email 'em they call you back:
http://www.feisol.net/index.php

Last edited by mediavets (2008-11-11 10:14:00)


Andrew
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, 18-55mm kit lens, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan  Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#20 2008-11-11 23:52:27

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Hello everybody,
I found out since, that Manfrotto 556B and 438 leveling bases will work with my tripod. Cannot make up my mind which one I should get.
BTW FEISOL is not answering my emails and doesn't call me back. So far their support stinks badly. I did talk to RRS, but they had only very expensive stuff to offer as a solution.
Here are Bogen bases

http://www.bogenimaging.us/Jahia/search … mit=submit

http://www.bogenimaging.us/Jahia/site/b … earch=true


Nikon D300 and D70s, Nikon 18-70 and 18-200, 50 mm 1.8 and Tokina 116
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#21 2008-11-12 00:29:12

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Adam wrote:

Hello everybody,
I found out since, that Manfrotto 556B and 438 leveling bases will work with my tripod. Cannot make up my mind which one I should get.
BTW FEISOL is not answering my emails and doesn't call me back. So far their support stinks badly. I did talk to RRS, but they had only very expensive stuff to offer as a solution.
Here are Bogen bases

http://www.bogenimaging.us/Jahia/search … mit=submit

http://www.bogenimaging.us/Jahia/site/b … earch=true

Choose the 556B if it fits your tripod.

Last edited by mediavets (2008-11-12 00:31:22)


Andrew
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, 18-55mm kit lens, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan  Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#22 2008-11-12 02:38:45

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Re: q-top tripod plate

mediavets wrote:

Adam wrote:

Hello everybody,
I found out since, that Manfrotto 556B and 438 leveling bases will work with my tripod. Cannot make up my mind which one I should get.
BTW FEISOL is not answering my emails and doesn't call me back. So far their support stinks badly. I did talk to RRS, but they had only very expensive stuff to offer as a solution.
Here are Bogen bases

http://www.bogenimaging.us/Jahia/search … mit=submit

http://www.bogenimaging.us/Jahia/site/b … earch=true

Choose the 556B if it fits your tripod.

Can you elaborate on your answer, please. Why 556B instead of 438? Thank you!
I just want to make a right purchase.


Nikon D300 and D70s, Nikon 18-70 and 18-200, 50 mm 1.8 and Tokina 116
Beginner in Panoramic Photography
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#23 2008-11-12 10:54:02

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Adam wrote:

mediavets wrote:

Adam wrote:

Hello everybody,
I found out since, that Manfrotto 556B and 438 leveling bases will work with my tripod. Cannot make up my mind which one I should get.
BTW FEISOL is not answering my emails and doesn't call me back. So far their support stinks badly. I did talk to RRS, but they had only very expensive stuff to offer as a solution.
Here are Bogen bases

http://www.bogenimaging.us/Jahia/search … mit=submit

http://www.bogenimaging.us/Jahia/site/b … earch=true

Choose the 556B if it fits your tripod.

Can you elaborate on your answer, please. Why 556B instead of 438? Thank you!
I just want to make a right purchase.

If your main focus is shooting panos then a levelling centre column will enable you to set up faster.

Karl Harrison from Oxford is a very experienced pano photograper and he uses a levelling centre column:
http://www.chem.ox.ac.uk/oxfordtour/tut … od%20Setup


Andrew
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, 18-55mm kit lens, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan  Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#24 2008-11-12 19:25:23

Adam
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Re: q-top tripod plate

OK this taken care of I hope. I order Bogen / Manfrotto ceter column form Calumet $110.
Now I need inexpensive attachment to take care of nodal point for Tokina 116 and Nikon 18-200 lenses. Any suggestions for this hardware?
BTW how do I setup my prifile on this forum?
Thank you!


Nikon D300 and D70s, Nikon 18-70 and 18-200, 50 mm 1.8 and Tokina 116
Beginner in Panoramic Photography
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#25 2008-11-12 19:45:11

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Re: q-top tripod plate

Adam wrote:

Now I need inexpensive attachment to take care of nodal point for Tokina 116 and Nikon 18-200 lenses. Any suggestions for this hardware?
Thank you!

Nodal Ninja 5: http://store.nodalninja.com/category_s/31.htm


Andrew
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, 18-55mm kit lens, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan  Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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