My Autopano Pro forum

360 Degree wrote:

I was considering purchasing an Epson 3800. The specs indicate printing up to 22 inches wide. Does anyone know if this printer is capable of longer custom lengths for very wide panoramas?

afak it can print as long as the mountet paper-roll delivers paper . . i guess several meters . . , no?
It´s called "banner-paper".

best, Klaus

DamoRed wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you, but the 3800 is 17" and the 7600 -7900 are 24". I don't think Epson do a 22" printer. One of the spec listings on Amazon lists it being compaitible with 17" X 22" sheets, which is where confusion may lay.

Damo

I know the printer is 17 inches in width. I was interested in maximun length. Some of my panoramas are 15 inches by 45 inches, for example.

Please, see the faq of Eric Chan

"How can I print longer than 37.4 inches on the Epson 3800?"

http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp … #howlonger

Epson 3800 is firmware limited to 37.4". Only a RIP can overpass this.

you should consider buying a printer with support for roll paper.

however, the limitation of printing drivers  on Windows (or Mac) can not exceed 20,000 pixels on the largest image size.


Sorry for my bad english, in french :

Pensez à consulter la faq écrite par Eric Chan :
"Comment imprimer plus long que 37,4 pouces sur l'Epson 3800"

Epson limite par le firmware la longueur à 37,4" sur la 3800. Seul un RIP peut repousser ces limites. (et à quel coût, et sans support de papier en rouleau ce n'est pas assuré)
Donc considérez l'achat d'une imprimante supportant directement une impression sur rouleaux. Et chez Epson les limites de longueur imprimables sans RIP sont faibles (rarement plus de 2 mètres)

Attention toutefois à la limitation des drivers d'impression Windows (ou Mac) qui ne peuvent dépasser  20.000 pixels  sur la plus grande dimension de l'image; évidemment l'utilisation d'un Rip repousse cette limite. Par assemblage cette limite peut être vite atteinte.
Certains logiciels limitent même à 10.000 pixels ou moins.

Cette limite des 20.000 pixels en impression ne doit pas être confondue avec la limitation de traitement des formats Jpeg, Tiff ou Psd.
Ainsi vous pourrez générer et lire un fichier d'un panoramique de  90.000 pixels de long en PSB avec Photoshop CS3, mais vous ne pourrez pas l'imprimer
(mes limites sur mon propre matériel sont 15 mètres ou 60.000 pixels)

360 Degree wrote:

DamoRed wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you, but the 3800 is 17" and the 7600 -7900 are 24". I don't think Epson do a 22" printer. One of the spec listings on Amazon lists it being compaitible with 17" X 22" sheets, which is where confusion may lay.

Damo

I know the printer is 17 inches in width. I was interested in maximun length. Some of my panoramas are 15 inches by 45 inches, for example.

What about giving the 3800 spec sheet a look? - doesn´t it tell about the max. length?

P.S.: i just read it and couldn´t find something about paper-rolls for banner printing . . strange . . a friend of mine has an 3800 and i would have sworn he uses banner-printing with a RIP from Best . . . i´ll phone him in the evening.

best, Klaus

Last edited by klausesser (2008-08-11 14:50:02)

I have an Epson 3800 that I have not used yet.  I don't want to open the ink until I am ready to do large amount of printing.  From speaking with the employees at my local photo store they indicate that you need to use roll paper and can print a larger length by setting a 'User Defined Paper Size'.
There is some length at which you need a different printer driver.  I am going to do an experiment with my lower cost Epson printer which seems to indicate that it can do a 44 inch long print.

1. You cut the paper longer than you need to avoid problems with slipping as it is passing through the printer.
  Better to waste some paper than waste ink by having the paper move as you are printing the end of the panoramic.
2. Use a metal T square and an exacto knife to cut the roll paper.
( I obtained these values from my Epson R300 as I have not installed my 3800 software yet )
3. Properties -> Advanced -> Main -> Paper & Quality, size drop down box value 'User Defined Paper Size'
4. values (Epson Stylus Photo R300) 350-850 0.1 inches width, 350-4400 height in 0.1 inches
    (metric) width 890-2160 0.1 cm, height 890 - 11176 0.1 cm

(Literal translation from Google Language tools without checking the translation)
J'ai une Epson 3800 que je n'ai pas encore utilisés. Je ne veux pas ouvrir l'encre jusqu'à ce que je suis prêt à faire beaucoup de l'impression. De parler avec les employés locaux à mon magasin de photo, ils indiquent que vous devez utiliser un rouleau de papier et permet d'imprimer une plus grande longueur en fixant un "définies par l'utilisateur Taille du papier".
Il est assez longuement au cours de laquelle vous besoin d'un autre pilote d'imprimante. Je vais faire une expérience avec mon moindre coût imprimante Epson qui semble indiquer qu'il peut faire un 44 pouces d'impression.

1. Vous couper le papier plus que vous devez éviter les problèmes de glissement car il est en passant par l'imprimante.
   Mieux vaut déchets de papier que certains déchets d'encre en ayant le papier déplacer comme vous imprimez la fin de la panoramique.
2. Utilisez un métal T carrés et un exacto couteau pour couper le rouleau de papier.
(J'ai obtenu ces valeurs de mon Epson R300 comme je l'ai pas installé mon logiciel encore 3800)
3. Propriétés -> Avancé -> -> Papier et de la qualité, la taille liste déroulante valeur "définies par l'utilisateur Taille du papier"
4. valeurs (Epson Stylus Photo R300) 350-850 0,1 pouces de largeur, hauteur 350-4400 dans 0,1 pouces
     (metric) largeur 890-2160 0,1 cm, hauteur 890 - 11176 0,1 cm

Last edited by Castillonis (2008-08-17 10:50:15)

Castillonis wrote:

The book
Sheppard, Rob, New Epson Complete Guide to Digital Printing, 2008 Lark Books, page 140
confirms the 44 inch (111.8 cm) length printing capability of Epson Stylus photo printers.

I can't seem to get a definitive answer. The Epson official specs are vague and I seem to be getting conflicting info from everyone else. It seems I can print longer with a RIP like Imageprint, but it has a ridiculously high price ($895, I believe). Most of my images would be within the range of the Epson 3800. I don't really print enough to justify a more expensive printer with a roller.

360 Degree wrote:

Castillonis wrote:

The book
Sheppard, Rob, New Epson Complete Guide to Digital Printing, 2008 Lark Books, page 140
confirms the 44 inch (111.8 cm) length printing capability of Epson Stylus photo printers.

I can't seem to get a definitive answer. The Epson official specs are vague and I seem to be getting conflicting info from everyone else. It seems I can print longer with a RIP like Imageprint, but it has a ridiculously high price ($895, I believe). Most of my images would be within the range of the Epson 3800. I don't really print enough to justify a more expensive printer with a roller.

I don´t know how things are in NY actually - but over here you can get a pano printed at a very moderate price in exellent quality. In my eyes it doesn´t make sense to buy a printer for long pictures if you don´t really need one each day.
A company here www.saal-digital.de makes exellent prints on photopaper at very moderate prices.
So does a 60x250cm print cost 38.-€, a 60x120cm costs 18.-€.

Related to the costs of ink and paper that´s cheap in my eyes. And it´s a real photo-process and not an inkjet! Their quality is really excellent - i tested it and a lot of colleagues let them do all their pano prints. They send you a calibration-file so you can match your system precisely to their machines.

So for average use the 3800 should be a fine printer - and if it has to be longer: let it print at a good print-service.

As an information: Saal bought the famous Minilab-range from Agfa, when Agfa went down. They sold some amount of Minilabs to the US - i could ask them if there´s some in the NY area. Because this hardware is REALLY good.

best, Klaus

P.S.: here the adresses of Minilab distributors in the US - maybe they can tell you a service that uses Minilabs in the NYC area:

Sorry - i put old data in. Actual adresses will follow. I asked the Minilab-producer here in Germany to send me adresses of services in the NYC area who use Minilabs - he´ll tell me today.
To point that out again: they use real photopaper and it´s a "real" photographic process, not an inkjet! The quality is like "C"-prints. The print-resolution is @400dpi.

Last edited by klausesser (2008-08-20 14:37:47)