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Hello Alexandre,

That sounds great.  I am looking forward to submitting some images for this!  Excellent idea!

Rico

Superbe idée...

Pour les photos, il vous faut quelles dimensions ? Et quelle résolution min ?
Ca va être dur de faire un choix d'un seul pano...

Génial... tu peux compter sur ma participation.
C'est une super idée !!!!!

Nous sommes en train d'étudier le livre, mais notre but est de faire un très beau livre si possible avec des pages à volets qui se déplient ( en 1 ou 2 volets supplémentaires ).
- Taille approximative : 20 cm x 30 cm en paysage.
- entre 150 et 200 pages.
- chaque auteur proposera des images ( entre 1 et 10 ( 20 ), ne sait pas encore exactement )
Nous tenons à ce que toutes les personnes qui contribuent à ce projet aient au moins une image minimum dans le livre ( et même si la qualité estetique / graphique / sujet pourrait justifier de ne rien mettre d'un auteur ). C'est un projet communautaire : tous ceux qui participent ont un droit d'avoir une photo, voila ! C'est le seul point auquel je tiens vraiment beaucoup.
Certaines personnes auront plusieurs images, oui, probable. Comment le choix va se faire ?
Comment organiser tous ces panoramas pour en faire un livre cohérent ? Tout cela est en discussion et peut-être débattu.

En fait, c'est vraiment une idée que nous avons depuis longtemps et qui nous tient à coeur : un beau livre de panoramas tout simplement.
(Oui fma38, le topo de Denis nous a inspiré )

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We are currently working on this project; our goal is to create a very beautiful book with, if possible, several foldaway pages.
- Approx. size : 20 x 30 cm (landscape format)
- 150 to 200 pages
- Each one can propose between 1 and 10 (or 20) images… (to be defined)

We are very wedded to get all contributors have at least one image in the book (even if the artistic or graphical quality could justify not to put anything from a particular photographer). It’s a community project: all contributors have the right to have one of their photos in the book! It’s the only important point for me.

It is possible that some people will have several images in the book.
How to choose the photos? How to organize all those panoramas to create a consistent book? All this is to be discussed and debated.

It’s actually an idea that we had a long time ago and that we really value. Just a beautiful book of panoramas.

Ca va être difficile de trouver un theme commun, ou un classement pour les panos dans le bouquin... Car les panos risquent d'être très très différents les uns des autres.

Mais bon, on verra peut être quand tout le monde aura propose ses oeuvres, peut être qu'une "trame" se dessinera entre tous nos travaux...

I believe I speak on behalf of every non-french speaking person here that if you can speak english, please use it in this thread. Since this is to be a collaboration I think its important that everyone understand whats being said. Babelfish doesn't translate French to English very well.

I propose a black background with no wasted room for frames.

I was thinking of sorting the photos by country of origin but that doesnt make much sense since it's quite probable that there wont be more than 1 photograph (or set of photographs from the same photographer) from each country, so next idea was to sort it by photographer surname/nick - that would make most sense if we were the book's intended audience.


Who is the intended audience?

Who will "sponsor" this book? I suppose it'll be printed on Team Autopano's expenses, with hope of returning the investment by selling the book? Being in the prepress/print/publishing business myself, I cannot help but wander if that will be a feasible undertaking, speaking financially...

I can easily see such 160 page (1/8 of a full-format), full color, deluxe paper, hard cover + jacket, etc... production costs go above 10 euros a book with 1000 books emission, and that's local prices. I assume in France those would be double, so we're talking 20K euros upfront and I'm not sure you'll be able to sell a thousand or more books at 35-40 euro a piece, (again, assuming the distributors there work a similar scheme like the ones we have at home, and, assuming you're looking for a tiny profit).

There are ways of publishing that do not require you to order an x amount of copies. They are called self-publishing service providers. One such provider that I know of (or the ONLY provider that I know of :] ) is Xlibris who publish the book K-PAX IV.

I would recommend that a list be created of all the people interested in contributing to this book, so we both know who's on it and what that person contributed, so no-one who's interested gets missed.

[bo] wrote:

Who will "sponsor" this book? I suppose it'll be printed on Team Autopano's expenses, with hope of returning the investment by selling the book? Being in the prepress/print/publishing business myself, I cannot help but wander if that will be a feasible undertaking, speaking financially...

We will handle this book financially. Our aim is that everyone can get this book at a reasonable price. Financially, our goal for this project is zero : no extra cost, no more incomes : a zero profit. So we still need to estimate the number of book and the average unit price of the book charged by the printer. To this, we need to add shipping cost.
Our first estimation is that each book could be around 35 euros, but it will more depend on the print quantity ( 1000, 2000, 3000, more ? we don't know yet ).
Apparently, you are all enjoying this idea, so perhaps it will have the success we need to reduce cost and final price for everyone

Faudra peut-être brancher Guy P. qui a bossé dans ce secteur...

hello, guys!

1. the idea with the book is GREAT!
2. i agree with bo. there are only 2 ways of doing such a project:
- offset print technique: good quality, if worked out the right way
but you need at least 2.000 to have a good price... you need a lot of money at one time
- on demand laser production: it MAY be good quality... but maybe not...
on demand means no risc with the money, but on the other hand a quite high price for one book and a changing quality...
3. color profile: adobe RGB 1998 is not the right one... (for offset) i think it should be converted to some cmyk-iso-fogra profile... (if its printed in europe)
if you do it in laser technique, the foto pro profile is the right one...

just my five cent...

Thats really a cool idea.
Just got the idea to make an exhibition with all the big prints of the panos in the book?
Could be spectacular and will for sure help to raise the demand.
Thomas